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By Misc_Admin, 22 December, 2025

Why two strings in VB look the same but compared not equal?

ChatGPT said:

In VB.NET, two strings that look the same might still compare as not equal due to one or more of the following hidden differences:

🔍 1. Invisible Characters (e.g., Whitespace, Tabs, Unicode)

One string may contain extra spaces, tabs (Chr(9)), or even non-breaking spaces (Chr(160)).
They may appear the same visually, but are different characters.

✅ Tip: Check their AscW() values or print their bytes:
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For Each ch As Char In myString Console.WriteLine(AscW(ch)) Next

🔠 2. Different Unicode Normalization

Strings may use different forms of the same character:
- 'é' can be a single character (ChrW(&HE9)) or two characters ("e" + combining acute accent).
They look identical but are not equal.

✅ Fix:
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Dim normalizedA = myStringA.Normalize() Dim normalizedB = myStringB.Normalize() If normalizedA = normalizedB Then Console.WriteLine("Equal after normalization.") End If

🧪 3. Case Sensitivity

By default, = is case-sensitive in VB.NET:
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Dim a = "Hello" Dim b = "hello" Console.WriteLine(a = b) ' False
✅ Fix:
Use String.Equals with StringComparison.OrdinalIgnoreCase:
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String.Equals(a, b, StringComparison.OrdinalIgnoreCase)

🌐 4. Cultural Comparison Rules

VB may implicitly use culture-aware comparisons (e.g., Ö vs O in some locales).
✅ Fix:
Use ordinal comparison if you want exact match:
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String.Equals(a, b, StringComparison.Ordinal)

🧵 5. Trailing Nulls or Control Characters

A string might contain trailing Chr(0) or other control characters.
✅ Check:
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Console.WriteLine(myString.Length)

🧰 Debugging Tips

Use the immediate window or code like:
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Console.WriteLine(BitConverter.ToString(System.Text.Encoding.UTF8.GetBytes(myString)))
This reveals byte-level differences.

📌 Example:

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Dim a = "test" Dim b = "test" & Chr(160) ' non-breaking space Console.WriteLine(a = b) ' False Console.WriteLine(a.Length) ' 4 Console.WriteLine(b.Length) ' 5

Let me know if you'd like to analyze two specific strings — you can paste them here and I’ll tell you why they compare differently.

You said:

in c#, I got a - character that when I covert to byte array it shows ascii code of 63 - I am not sure why that should be the case?

ChatGPT said:

Great question! When you see the ASCII code 63 (?) after converting a character like - (or something that looks like a dash) into a byte array, it's usually because the character isn't actually the regular ASCII dash and the encoding is replacing it with a fallback character (?).

🔹 Why 63 (`?`)?

ASCII code 63 is the ? character.
When converting a Unicode character into a byte array using an encoding (like Encoding.ASCII), any character that doesn't exist in the ASCII table is replaced with ? (63).

🔹 Your Dash Might Be a Different Character

There are many dash‐like characters:

Hyphen-minus: - (ASCII 45) – the normal dash.
En dash: – (U+2013)
Em dash: — (U+2014)
Minus sign: − (U+2212)

These look similar but have different Unicode codes.
If you use Encoding.ASCII.GetBytes() on an en dash (–, U+2013):
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byte[] bytes = Encoding.ASCII.GetBytes("–"); Console.WriteLine(bytes[0]); // 63 (?)
Because ASCII only supports 0-127, and U+2013 is outside that range.

🔹 How to Confirm?

Check the character's code point:
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char c = '–'; // or your variable Console.WriteLine((int)c); // prints the Unicode code point
Example:

- → 45
– (en dash) → 8211
— (em dash) → 8212

🔹 How to Preserve the Real Character?

Use a Unicode-capable encoding instead of ASCII:
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byte[] bytes = Encoding.UTF8.GetBytes("–"); Console.WriteLine(BitConverter.ToString(bytes)); // E2-80-93 (UTF-8 for en dash)

Summary

You're seeing 63 because:

Your dash is not the ASCII hyphen-minus but a Unicode dash (en dash/em dash/minus sign).
When you convert with Encoding.ASCII, unsupported characters are replaced with ? (63).

👉 Would you like me to show you how to distinguish the various dash types in C# and normalize them all to the regular -?

You said:

in visual studio how to debug into my nuget/library?

ChatGPT said:

Debugging into your own NuGet library (or any external library) in Visual Studio is possible, but it requires a few steps so Visual Studio knows where the source and symbols are. Here’s how to do it:

1️⃣ Generate Debug Symbols (PDB) for Your NuGet Package

When you create your NuGet package, make sure it includes the .pdb files (debug symbols) and ideally the source.

If you’re using an SDK-style .csproj, add:

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<PropertyGroup> <IncludeSymbols>true</IncludeSymbols> <SymbolPackageFormat>snupkg</SymbolPackageFormat> <EmbedUntrackedSources>true</EmbedUntrackedSources> <DebugType>portable</DebugType> <DebugSymbols>true</DebugSymbols> </PropertyGroup>

Build your package:

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dotnet pack --configuration Debug
This generates:

YourLibrary.nupkg
YourLibrary.snupkg (symbols)

If you want to keep it simple for local debugging, you can also reference the project directly (Project Reference) instead of the NuGet package.

2️⃣ Publish Symbols to a Symbol Source (or Keep Local)

Option A: Local symbol source:
Visual Studio can load symbols from a folder. Put your .pdb files in a folder (e.g. C:\Symbols).
Option B: NuGet symbol server:
If you publish to NuGet.org, push both .nupkg and .snupkg:
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nuget push YourLibrary.nupkg -Source nuget.org nuget push YourLibrary.snupkg -Source nuget.org

3️⃣ Configure Visual Studio

Enable loading external symbols
- Go to Tools → Options → Debugging → Symbols
- Add your local folder (or https://symbols.nuget.org/download/symbols) as a symbol source.
- Click Load all modules, unless excluded (if needed).
Enable Source Linking (if using embedded sources)
- Tools → Options → Debugging → General
- Enable Enable Source Link support.
Turn off "Just My Code"
- Tools → Options → Debugging → General
- Uncheck Enable Just My Code.

4️⃣ Debugging

Set a breakpoint in your app right before calling the NuGet library method.
Step into (F11).
- If symbols & source match, Visual Studio will open your library code.
- If it cannot find the source, it will prompt you to browse for it.

5️⃣ Easiest Alternative (While Developing)

If you control the library and the consuming project:

Don’t pack it yet.
Use a project reference instead of a NuGet reference:
- Right-click project → Add Reference → pick the library project.
- You can now debug it like normal code.

When done debugging, swap back to the NuGet reference.

⚠️ Common Issues

Symbols don’t match
- Ensure you’re debugging the same build version as the library in the NuGet cache.
- Clear ~/.nuget/packages/yourlibrary/ and restore.
Step into shows decompiled view
- Visual Studio couldn’t find your .pdb.
- Either set the source manually or fix symbol paths.

👉 Do you want me to show you the simplest setup for local debugging (without packing a new NuGet every time)? Or should I show you how to debug a NuGet from NuGet.org using SourceLink?

You said:

How do I create and display an svg rectangle in browser with javascript?

ChatGPT said:

Here's a simple way to create and display an SVG rectangle in the browser using JavaScript:

1️⃣ Create the SVG and `<rect>` Elements

You must use the SVG namespace when creating SVG elements with JavaScript.
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<!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <title>SVG Rectangle Example</title> </head> <body>  <div id="container"></div> <script> // SVG namespace (required) const svgNS = "http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; // Create the SVG element const svg = document.createElementNS(svgNS, "svg"); svg.setAttribute("width", "300"); svg.setAttribute("height", "200"); svg.style.border = "1px solid black"; // Optional border for clarity // Create a rectangle element const rect = document.createElementNS(svgNS, "rect"); rect.setAttribute("x", "50"); rect.setAttribute("y", "50"); rect.setAttribute("width", "150"); rect.setAttribute("height", "100"); rect.setAttribute("fill", "blue"); rect.setAttribute("stroke", "red"); rect.setAttribute("stroke-width", "3"); // Add the rectangle to the SVG svg.appendChild(rect); // Add the SVG to the page document.getElementById("container").appendChild(svg); </script> </body> </html>

2️⃣ Explanation

document.createElementNS(svgNS, "svg"): Create an SVG container in the correct namespace.
<rect> attributes:
- x, y: Position of the top-left corner.
- width, height: Size of the rectangle.
- fill: Fill color.
- stroke: Outline color.
- stroke-width: Outline thickness.

3️⃣ Output

When opened in a browser, you'll see a blue rectangle (150×100px) with a red border inside the 300×200px SVG.

👉 Do you want me to show you a dynamic version where the rectangle is drawn in response to user actions (like a button click or mouse drag)? Or should I show how to add multiple rectangles programmatically?

You said:

How about use a json to represent the rectangle object?

ChatGPT said:

Yes! You can easily represent the rectangle’s properties in JSON and then use JavaScript to read the JSON and render the SVG rectangle.

1️⃣ Example with JSON Definition

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<!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <title>SVG Rectangle with JSON</title> </head> <body> <div id="container"></div> <script> const svgNS = "http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; // JSON representing the rectangle const rectData = { x: 50, y: 50, width: 150, height: 100, fill: "blue", stroke: "red", strokeWidth: 3 }; // Create SVG container const svg = document.createElementNS(svgNS, "svg"); svg.setAttribute("width", "300"); svg.setAttribute("height", "200"); svg.style.border = "1px solid black"; // Create rectangle from JSON data const rect = document.createElementNS(svgNS, "rect"); rect.setAttribute("x", rectData.x); rect.setAttribute("y", rectData.y); rect.setAttribute("width", rectData.width); rect.setAttribute("height", rectData.height); rect.setAttribute("fill", rectData.fill); rect.setAttribute("stroke", rectData.stroke); rect.setAttribute("stroke-width", rectData.strokeWidth); // Append to the page svg.appendChild(rect); document.getElementById("container").appendChild(svg); </script> </body> </html>

2️⃣ Supporting Multiple Rectangles from JSON Array

If you want multiple rectangles, your JSON could look like this:
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const rects = [ { x: 10, y: 10, width: 100, height: 50, fill: "green", stroke: "black", strokeWidth: 2 }, { x: 150, y: 50, width: 120, height: 80, fill: "orange", stroke: "blue", strokeWidth: 4 } ];
Then loop:
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rects.forEach(data => { const rect = document.createElementNS(svgNS, "rect"); rect.setAttribute("x", data.x); rect.setAttribute("y", data.y); rect.setAttribute("width", data.width); rect.setAttribute("height", data.height); rect.setAttribute("fill", data.fill); rect.setAttribute("stroke", data.stroke); rect.setAttribute("stroke-width", data.strokeWidth); svg.appendChild(rect); });

3️⃣ Benefits of JSON Representation

Easy to store in a file or receive from an API.
Allows dynamic rendering of shapes.
You can add more properties (e.g. opacity, rx/ry for rounded corners).

👉 Would you like me to show a version where the JSON comes from an external .json file and is fetched dynamically (using fetch)? Or should I show a version where you edit the JSON and the SVG updates live?

You said:

How does webGL compare to SVG? Can we also construct webGL object using tags/elements?

ChatGPT said:

Great question! WebGL and SVG are very different, and the way you work with them is fundamentally different too. Let’s break it down:

1️⃣ SVG vs WebGL – Core Differences

SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics)

Declarative: You define elements (<rect>, <circle>, <path>) in HTML/XML or DOM, and the browser renders them.
Retained mode: Once you add elements, the browser keeps track of them and redraws automatically if needed.
Great for: Charts, diagrams, UI, and graphics with relatively few elements.
Performance: Slows down with thousands of elements because each <rect> or <circle> is a DOM node.

WebGL

Imperative: You write JavaScript code to draw pixels directly on a <canvas>.
Immediate mode: You tell the GPU what to draw each frame; it does not remember shapes.
Great for: High-performance 2D/3D graphics, games, complex animations, large numbers of objects.
Performance: Extremely fast, but you must manage everything (position, color, redraws).

2️⃣ Can We Construct WebGL Objects with Tags/Elements?

No, not like SVG.

In WebGL, the only DOM element is the <canvas> tag:
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<canvas id="glCanvas" width="500" height="300"></canvas>
Everything else (shapes, meshes, colors) is drawn in JavaScript code using the WebGL API.
You don’t create <triangle> or <cube> tags – you must:
1. Define vertices in arrays.
2. Upload them to the GPU (buffers).
3. Write shaders (GLSL) to tell the GPU how to render.
4. Issue drawArrays() or drawElements() calls.

Example minimal WebGL rectangle:
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const canvas = document.getElementById('glCanvas'); const gl = canvas.getContext('webgl'); // Define rectangle vertices const vertices = new Float32Array([ -0.5, -0.5, 0.5, -0.5, 0.5, 0.5, -0.5, 0.5, ]); // Upload vertices to GPU buffer const buffer = gl.createBuffer(); gl.bindBuffer(gl.ARRAY_BUFFER, buffer); gl.bufferData(gl.ARRAY_BUFFER, vertices, gl.STATIC_DRAW); // (You must also create shaders, link a program, bind attributes, etc.)

3️⃣ When to Use Which?

Use SVG when:
- You need simple shapes with interactivity (click/hover events).
- You want scalability and easy DOM manipulation.
- You have relatively few elements (< 1,000).
Use WebGL when:
- You need high performance (games, simulations).
- You’re drawing thousands or millions of objects.
- You need 3D graphics or advanced shaders.

4️⃣ Can We Mix Them?

Yes!

You can overlay an SVG layer on top of a WebGL <canvas> for UI elements.
Or use libraries like Three.js (WebGL wrapper) for 3D and combine with SVG for controls.

5️⃣ Helpful Libraries

Because raw WebGL is low-level, developers often use libraries:

Three.js – easy 3D rendering on top of WebGL.
PixiJS – high-performance 2D rendering.
regl – functional wrapper for WebGL.

These libraries let you construct "objects" in code, but still not using HTML tags.

👉 Do you want me to show you a side-by-side example: drawing the same rectangle in SVG vs raw WebGL? Or would you prefer a Three.js version where you define objects more declaratively (similar to tags)?

You said:

How about the VRML? Is it still used/popular?

ChatGPT said:

Great question! VRML (Virtual Reality Modeling Language) was an early attempt at a 3D graphics format for the web, but it's largely obsolete today.

1️⃣ What is VRML?

Introduced in the mid-1990s as a text-based format to describe 3D worlds for the web.
Files usually ended in .wrl.
You could embed interactive 3D scenes in a browser (with plugins).
Syntax looked somewhat like a scene graph:
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Shape { geometry Box { size 2 2 2 } appearance Appearance { material Material { diffuseColor 1 0 0 } } }
Later evolved into VRML97 (ISO standard).

2️⃣ Why Did VRML Fade Out?

Plugin dependency – You needed a special browser plugin (e.g., Cosmo Player).
No native browser support – Unlike SVG or Canvas, browsers never natively rendered VRML.
Poor performance for large scenes.
Better alternatives emerged:
- X3D: Official successor to VRML (XML and JSON-based).
- WebGL: Direct GPU access from browsers without plugins.
- Three.js, Babylon.js: Higher-level WebGL libraries.
- glTF: Modern open 3D asset format (optimized for the web).

3️⃣ Is VRML Still Used Today?

No, it's mostly dead.
Some legacy CAD/3D archives still contain VRML models.
You might encounter it in old scientific visualization projects or 90s/early-2000s VR experiments.
Modern workflows use glTF, USD, or X3D instead.

4️⃣ What Replaced It?

glTF ("GL Transmission Format")

Created by the Khronos Group (same as WebGL & Vulkan).
Lightweight, optimized for web.
Widely supported by engines: Three.js, Babylon.js, Unity, Unreal, Blender.
Binary (.glb) or JSON+binary (.gltf).

X3D

Direct successor to VRML, supports XML and JSON, but still niche compared to glTF/WebGL.

5️⃣ Should You Use VRML Now?

Only for legacy compatibility.
If you have old .wrl files, you can convert them:
- Import into Blender, then export as glTF or OBJ.
- Use command-line tools like Assimp.

👉 Do you want me to show how to load a legacy VRML file into a modern web app (Three.js), or how to convert .wrl to glTF? Or should I show how X3D looks compared to VRML?

You said:

Try to see if I understand things correctly. Does glTF keep 3d object in a binary format and redraw it on canvas when needed?

ChatGPT said:

Yes! You understand it correctly, but let's break it down clearly:

1️⃣ What glTF Actually Is

glTF (GL Transmission Format) is a file format, not a renderer.
It stores 3D assets (geometry, materials, animations, textures, cameras, lights, etc.).
It can be:
- .gltf (JSON + separate binary & textures)
- .glb (binary version, all-in-one file)

Think of glTF like the "JPEG of 3D" – it's optimized for storage & transmission, not for rendering itself.

2️⃣ How Does It Get Rendered?

glTF by itself does not render anything.
A rendering engine (like Three.js, Babylon.js, Unity, Unreal, or even raw WebGL) must:
1. Load the glTF file (parse JSON/binary into meshes, materials, etc.).
2. Upload the vertex data, textures, and materials to the GPU (via WebGL or WebGPU).
3. Draw the object to the <canvas> each frame as needed.

So yes, the 3D object data is stored in binary form and redrawn to the canvas when needed, but the redrawing is handled by the rendering engine, not by glTF itself.

3️⃣ What Happens When the Scene Changes?

If you rotate/animate an object, the rendering engine updates transformation matrices and redraws every frame (usually 60fps).
The original glTF data stays in memory – it’s not re-read from disk each frame.
The GPU keeps vertex buffers/textures ready, so redraws are fast.

4️⃣ Difference from SVG

SVG keeps a DOM-like retained graph: you don’t have to redraw every frame unless something changes.
WebGL (and glTF-based scenes) use immediate rendering: the engine redraws the entire frame continuously, even if nothing changed.

5️⃣ Summary

✅ glTF = 3D model storage format (binary or JSON-based).
✅ Rendering = done by WebGL/WebGPU engine, which draws it on <canvas>.
✅ Once loaded, the engine keeps data in GPU buffers and re-renders as needed (animations, camera moves, etc.).

👉 Do you want me to show you a minimal Three.js example that loads a .glb glTF file and renders it? Or would you like a diagram of how data flows (glTF → engine → GPU → canvas)?

You said:

Does glTF object also receive events? How will javascript receive those events - like if each object has an Id and how rotate event can be achieved?

ChatGPT said:

Great question! This goes into how interactivity works with glTF objects and 3D scenes in general.

1️⃣ Does glTF itself handle events?

No.

glTF is only a data format (geometry, materials, animations, etc.).
It does not handle events or interactions like SVG or DOM elements.
Once loaded, your JavaScript code (or a 3D engine like Three.js or Babylon.js) manages user events.

2️⃣ How Do We Receive Events for glTF Objects?

Because 3D objects aren't DOM elements, you can’t attach onclick or onhover directly.
Instead, you detect user input and determine which 3D object was hit. This is called picking or raycasting.

Typical flow:

Listen for mouse/touch events on the <canvas>:
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canvas.addEventListener('click', (event) => { // Get x/y coordinates });
Convert the 2D screen coordinates to a 3D ray using the camera's projection matrix.
Use the engine’s raycaster to check which mesh(es) in the scene intersect with the ray.
Identify the object (e.g., by name or custom id property) and trigger the desired action.

3️⃣ Example: Events on glTF Objects (Three.js)

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// Load the glTF model const loader = new THREE.GLTFLoader(); loader.load('model.glb', (gltf) => { scene.add(gltf.scene); // Give objects IDs or names gltf.scene.traverse((child) => { if (child.isMesh) { child.name = "myBox"; } }); }); // Set up raycaster const raycaster = new THREE.Raycaster(); const mouse = new THREE.Vector2(); canvas.addEventListener('click', (event) => { // Normalize mouse coordinates (-1 to +1) mouse.x = (event.clientX / window.innerWidth) * 2 - 1; mouse.y = -(event.clientY / window.innerHeight) * 2 + 1; // Cast ray from camera through mouse position raycaster.setFromCamera(mouse, camera); // Find objects the ray intersects const intersects = raycaster.intersectObjects(scene.children, true); if (intersects.length > 0) { const object = intersects[0].object; console.log("Clicked on:", object.name); // Rotate it (for example) object.rotation.y += Math.PI / 4; } });

4️⃣ How to Rotate Programmatically?

Once you have a reference to the object (via raycast or by its name/id), you can modify its transform properties:
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object.rotation.x += 0.1; object.rotation.y += 0.1; object.position.z += 1;
Or use the engine’s animation system to rotate smoothly.

5️⃣ Summary

glTF does not handle events.
Events are captured on the <canvas> and mapped to 3D objects using raycasting.
Each object can be given an id or name when loaded, so you can identify it later.
Once you know which object was "clicked," you can rotate, scale, move, or change materials.

👉 Would you like me to show a diagram of this event flow (Canvas → Raycaster → Object → Action)?
Or should I show a hover + click + drag example where you can interact with multiple glTF objects?

You said:

Can you compare the library/engine/applications that you have listed: Three.js, Babylon.js, Unity, Unreal, Blender? Like their strength and/or usage. Thanks.

ChatGPT said:

Great question! Let’s compare Three.js, Babylon.js, Unity, Unreal Engine, and Blender based on what they are, their strengths, and typical use cases.

1️⃣ Three.js

What it is:

A lightweight JavaScript library built on top of WebGL.
Used directly in the browser (no plugins).

Strengths:

Very flexible: you build everything in code, layer by layer.
Great for custom interactive web experiences (product configurators, data visualization, custom websites).
Huge ecosystem and examples.
Can load glTF and other 3D formats easily.
Small footprint compared to full engines.

Weaknesses:

Lower-level than Babylon.js: you write more boilerplate (shaders, physics need external libs).
No built-in editor; most work is in code.

Usage:

Interactive 3D web pages (Nike product websites, NASA visualizations).
Visual experiments and data-driven 3D apps.

2️⃣ Babylon.js

What it is:

A JavaScript/WebGL engine, slightly higher-level than Three.js.
Full-featured with built-in physics, materials, GUI, particle systems, and visual editor.

Strengths:

Very developer-friendly; has an online playground and Editor.
Includes more “game engine” style features out of the box than Three.js.
Maintained by Microsoft; stable and actively updated.
Native support for WebXR (VR/AR).

Weaknesses:

Larger footprint than Three.js.
Slightly less flexible for custom low-level graphics work.

Usage:

Web-based 3D games and apps.
Enterprise dashboards and VR/AR experiences.

3️⃣ Unity

What it is:

A cross-platform game engine with a full editor.
Exports to PC, consoles, mobile, and the web (WebGL build).

Strengths:

Full game development workflow: level editor, physics, animations, scripting (C#).
Huge asset store and community.
Supports both 2D and 3D games.
Web export possible (but heavier).

Weaknesses:

Larger build sizes for web (10MB+).
Requires learning its editor and pipeline.
Less ideal for lightweight web projects.

Usage:

Full games (2D/3D) across platforms.
Interactive training, simulations, VR/AR apps.
Prototyping.

4️⃣ Unreal Engine

What it is:

A high-end game engine from Epic Games (C++ & Blueprints visual scripting).
Best-in-class rendering and cinematic tools.

Strengths:

Photorealistic rendering, advanced lighting (Nanite, Lumen).
Powerful for AAA games, film, and virtual production.
VR/AR and simulation ready.
Huge ecosystem and asset marketplace.

Weaknesses:

Steep learning curve, heavy engine size.
Web export is not as lightweight or streamlined as Three.js/Babylon.js.

Usage:

AAA games, film previsualization, virtual sets, architecture visualization.

5️⃣ Blender

What it is:

A 3D content creation application (modeling, texturing, animation, rendering).
Not a rendering engine for interactive apps – it's a tool to create assets.

Strengths:

Free, open-source, extremely powerful modeling & animation tool.
Built-in rendering engines (Cycles, Eevee).
Strong community and plugins.

Weaknesses:

It’s a DCC tool, not a web engine: it doesn’t run in browsers natively.
Interactive web delivery requires exporting models (e.g., to glTF) and loading them in engines like Three.js.

Usage:

Creating 3D assets for games, films, or web (glTF export).
Animations, cinematic renders, 3D printing models.

Comparison Table

Feature	Three.js	Babylon.js	Unity	Unreal Engine	Blender
Type	JS library (WebGL)	JS engine (WebGL)	Full game engine	High-end game engine	3D creation tool
Runs in Browser	✅ (lightweight)	✅ (lightweight)	✅ (heavy WebGL builds)	⚠️ (experimental/heavy)	❌ (exports only)
Ease of Use	Medium (low-level code)	Easier (more features)	Medium (editor + C#)	Harder (steeper learning)	Medium (artist tools)
Graphics Quality	Good (customizable)	Good	High	AAA-level photorealistic	High (offline render)
Editor	❌ (code only)	✅ (editor & playground)	✅ (full editor)	✅ (full editor + Blueprints)	✅ (DCC tool)
Best For	Custom 3D web apps	3D web apps, games	Multi-platform games/apps	AAA games, cinematic, VR	Asset creation

Summary

Three.js: Great for lightweight, fully custom interactive web experiences.
Babylon.js: Best if you want a game-engine-like experience in the browser with less boilerplate.
Unity: Full engine for multi-platform games and apps; can export to web but heavy.
Unreal Engine: Top for high-end graphics, games, and virtual production.
Blender: Asset creation tool (models, textures, animations) that feeds into any of the above.

👉 Do you want me to draw a workflow diagram showing how Blender (for asset creation) + glTF + (Three.js/Babylon.js/Unity/Unreal) work together? Or should I show when to pick Three.js vs Babylon.js for a web project?

You said:

For Unity, I think you mean that you can design and develop a game using it and, then, you can export the program to run on PC, consoles and web?

ChatGPT said:

Yes! That’s exactly correct.
Unity is a full game engine with a built-in editor, so the workflow is:

1️⃣ Develop the Game/App in Unity

You design your scenes, levels, and user interfaces using the Unity Editor.
Import 3D models (from Blender, Maya, glTF, etc.).
Add physics, lighting, scripts (written in C#), and audio.
Test it all directly in the editor.

2️⃣ Export (Build) to Multiple Platforms

Once you’re ready, you can build your project for different platforms:

PC: Windows, macOS, Linux (as standalone executables).
Consoles: PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo Switch (requires platform licenses).
Mobile: iOS, Android.
Web: WebGL builds (runs in a <canvas> inside a browser).
VR/AR: Oculus, HoloLens, etc.

Example:
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File → Build Settings → Select target platform → Build

3️⃣ About Web Export

When you select WebGL as the target, Unity compiles your game into:
- HTML + JavaScript + WebAssembly + assets.
- Runs in the browser using the <canvas> element.
Caveat: WebGL builds can be heavy (10–50 MB+) and don’t load as instantly as something like Three.js or Babylon.js.

4️⃣ Key Strength of Unity

Write once, deploy everywhere: You don’t rewrite code per platform.
Handles all low-level differences (graphics API, input handling, etc.).
Powerful for full games and interactive applications.

Example Workflow:

Create game in Unity → test in the Editor.
Click Build → target Windows → get a .exe.
Click Build → target WebGL → upload to a website.
Same project can be built for mobile or VR.

👉 Would you like me to compare Unity's WebGL builds vs using Three.js/Babylon.js directly (like performance, size, and flexibility)? Or should I show a diagram of the full Unity workflow?

You said:

Earlier on, you mentioned the rendering is continuous, can programmer stop the rendering if there is no need?

ChatGPT said:

Yes! You can stop rendering if nothing changes, but how you do it depends on the rendering approach.

1️⃣ By Default, WebGL Engines Render Continuously

Libraries like Three.js, Babylon.js, Unity, and Unreal redraw every frame (usually 60 FPS) using requestAnimationFrame() or their internal loop.
This is necessary for animations, camera movement, or dynamic scenes.
But if your scene is static (nothing moves or changes), you can pause rendering to save CPU/GPU resources.

2️⃣ How to Stop Rendering in Three.js

Three.js has a render loop you typically set up like this:
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To stop, you can:

Remove the loop and call renderer.render() only when needed:
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renderer.render(scene, camera); // called once
Or conditionally control the loop:
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let running = true; function animate() { if (!running) return; requestAnimationFrame(animate); renderer.render(scene, camera); } animate(); // later... running = false; // stops
Some people use a "render-on-demand" approach:
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function render() { renderer.render(scene, camera); } // Call render() only when something changes: window.addEventListener('resize', render); button.addEventListener('click', render);

3️⃣ Babylon.js

Babylon has a built-in render loop:
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engine.runRenderLoop(() => scene.render());
You can stop it with:
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engine.stopRenderLoop();
…and restart later:
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engine.runRenderLoop(() => scene.render());

4️⃣ Unity / Unreal

These are full game engines: they’re always in a game loop.
You can pause your scene or disable updates, but the engine still runs.
Unity:
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Time.timeScale = 0f; // pauses updates & physics
But rendering might still happen unless you tweak the loop (Unity isn’t optimized for static scenes).

5️⃣ Why Would You Stop Rendering?

Static scenes (e.g., a 3D product viewer where the user only rotates occasionally).
Performance optimization for dashboards or low-power devices.
Pause when the tab is inactive or hidden.

6️⃣ Best Practice

If your scene is mostly static: Render on demand.
If your scene is dynamic (animations, physics): Keep the loop, but you can pause when:
- Tab is inactive (use the Page Visibility API).
- The app is minimized.
- User hits "pause."

Example: Three.js + Page Visibility API:
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👉 Would you like me to show a full Three.js demo where the scene renders only when the user interacts (e.g., dragging)? Or should I compare the power savings of stopping rendering vs always rendering?

You said:

Now I am trying to export a nested gridview control in a webform program to Excel. Can this be done?

ChatGPT said:

Yes, it can be done — you can export a nested GridView (i.e., a GridView that contains child GridView controls inside its rows) to Excel in an ASP.NET Web Forms application, but it requires a few extra steps compared to exporting a flat GridView.

✅ Overview

You can export a GridView to Excel by rendering it into HTML and setting the response content type as Excel-compatible:
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Response.Clear() Response.Buffer = True Response.ContentType = "application/vnd.ms-excel" Response.AddHeader("content-disposition", "attachment;filename=Export.xls") Response.Charset = "" Response.ContentEncoding = Encoding.UTF8 Dim sw As New StringWriter() Dim hw As New HtmlTextWriter(sw) GridView1.RenderControl(hw) Response.Output.Write(sw.ToString()) Response.Flush() Response.End()

🧠 Challenges with Nested `GridView`s

If your parent GridView has child GridViews inside (e.g., in a TemplateField), you must:

Ensure all nested grids are expanded/visible before rendering.
Manually call RenderControl() on nested controls — ASP.NET doesn't automatically render children that are inside dynamic templates unless you force it.
Disable paging, sorting, or data binding issues.
Handle server form verification override.

🛠 Steps to Export Nested GridView

1. Override `VerifyRenderingInServerForm`

Put this in your code-behind:
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Public Overrides Sub VerifyRenderingInServerForm(control As Control) ' Do nothing - required for exporting End Sub

2. Disable Paging for Export

Before rendering:
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GridView1.AllowPaging = False GridView1.DataBind()

3. Ensure Nested Grids Are Loaded

If you are dynamically loading nested grids (e.g., on RowDataBound), make sure they are bound before export:
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Protected Sub GridView1_RowDataBound(sender As Object, e As GridViewRowEventArgs) If e.Row.RowType = DataControlRowType.DataRow Then Dim childGrid As GridView = CType(e.Row.FindControl("ChildGridView"), GridView) ' Bind child grid if not yet bound childGrid.DataSource = GetChildData(...) childGrid.DataBind() End If End Sub

4. Render to HTML

In the export button click:
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Response.Clear() Response.Buffer = True Response.ContentType = "application/vnd.ms-excel" Response.AddHeader("content-disposition", "attachment;filename=Export.xls") Response.Charset = "" Response.ContentEncoding = Encoding.UTF8 Using sw As New StringWriter() Using hw As New HtmlTextWriter(sw) ' Disable controls like paging, buttons PrepareGridForExport(GridView1) GridView1.RenderControl(hw) Response.Output.Write(sw.ToString()) Response.Flush() Response.End() End Using End Using

📌 Helper Function to Remove Unwanted Controls

You may want to remove controls like LinkButton, DropDownList, etc., so only text shows in Excel:
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Private Sub PrepareGridForExport(ctrl As Control) For Each child As Control In ctrl.Controls If TypeOf child Is LinkButton OrElse TypeOf child Is DropDownList Then Dim literal As New LiteralControl() literal.Text = TryCast(child, IButtonControl)?.Text ctrl.Controls.Remove(child) ctrl.Controls.Add(literal) ElseIf child.HasControls() Then PrepareGridForExport(child) End If Next End Sub

⚠️ Important Notes

Excel opens HTML tables just fine when served as application/vnd.ms-excel.
Styles may not be preserved unless you inline them (or use CSS in the output).
If using UpdatePanel, the export code must bypass AJAX (e.g., using PostBackTrigger).

✅ Summary

Feature	Can Be Done?	Notes
Export flat `GridView`	✅	Very straightforward
Export nested `GridView`s	✅	Must ensure child grids are bound + visible
Maintain styles in Excel	⚠️	Only inline styles will work (no CSS classes)
Export to `.xlsx` instead of `.xls`	❌ (HTML method)	Requires a library like EPPlus or ClosedXML

Would you like a VB.NET code sample for a GridView with nested child rows that exports to Excel, or a version that exports to .xlsx using a real Excel library like EPPlus?

You said:

Considering that, later on, we may rewrite the program with other form of asp.net core, I am interested in learning a bit more about the EPPlus, which I have used in reading xls files, but not in writing/creating .xls files. The project I am working on now is build with .NET framework 4.5.

ChatGPT said:

Updated saved memory
Great — since you're already familiar with EPPlus for reading .xlsx files, writing them will feel quite natural. Here's a walkthrough tailored to your .NET Framework 4.5 Web Forms project using EPPlus to export a nested GridView structure to an actual .xlsx Excel file, not just an HTML table.

🔧 Requirements

EPPlus supports .xlsx (Office Open XML) format.
For .NET Framework 4.5, use EPPlus v4.5.x — this version is still licensed under LGPL (newer versions use a commercial license for some features).
Install via NuGet:
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Install-Package EPPlus -Version 4.5.3.3

✅ Basic Usage to Create Excel File

Here's a simple example of writing a flat table:
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Imports OfficeOpenXml Imports System.IO Protected Sub ExportToExcel_Click(sender As Object, e As EventArgs) Using package As New ExcelPackage() Dim worksheet = package.Workbook.Worksheets.Add("Report") ' Header worksheet.Cells(1, 1).Value = "Name" worksheet.Cells(1, 2).Value = "Age" ' Sample data worksheet.Cells(2, 1).Value = "Alice" worksheet.Cells(2, 2).Value = 30 worksheet.Cells(3, 1).Value = "Bob" worksheet.Cells(3, 2).Value = 25 ' Auto-fit worksheet.Cells.AutoFitColumns() ' Output to browser Dim excelData = package.GetAsByteArray() Response.Clear() Response.ContentType = "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheet" Response.AddHeader("content-disposition", "attachment; filename=Report.xlsx") Response.BinaryWrite(excelData) Response.End() End Using End Sub

🧱 Exporting a Nested `GridView` to Excel

Suppose you have a structure like:

GridView1 (parent)
- Each row contains a nested GridView (ChildGridView), e.g. in a TemplateField.

You'll need to manually traverse both levels to write the data.

Example

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Dim rowIndex As Integer = 1 For Each parentRow As GridViewRow In GridView1.Rows ' Write parent data worksheet.Cells(rowIndex, 1).Value = parentRow.Cells(0).Text ' Example: CustomerName worksheet.Cells(rowIndex, 2).Value = parentRow.Cells(1).Text ' Example: Email rowIndex += 1 ' Find the nested GridView inside the current row Dim childGrid As GridView = CType(parentRow.FindControl("ChildGridView"), GridView) If childGrid IsNot Nothing Then ' Write child headers worksheet.Cells(rowIndex, 2).Value = "OrderId" worksheet.Cells(rowIndex, 3).Value = "Amount" rowIndex += 1 For Each childRow As GridViewRow In childGrid.Rows worksheet.Cells(rowIndex, 2).Value = childRow.Cells(0).Text ' OrderId worksheet.Cells(rowIndex, 3).Value = childRow.Cells(1).Text ' Amount rowIndex += 1 Next rowIndex += 1 ' Blank row between sections End If Next

🔁 Summary of Benefits Over HTML Export

Feature	HTML Export	EPPlus Export
Real `.xlsx` format	❌ (fake .xls)	✅
Styling (borders, fonts, etc.)	❌	✅
Images, charts, formulas	❌	✅
Large datasets	⚠️ Slow	✅ Efficient
Compatibility	⚠️ Limited	✅ High

➕ Optional: Add Styling

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Dim range = worksheet.Cells(1, 1, rowIndex - 1, 3) range.Style.Font.Bold = True range.Style.Border.BorderAround(OfficeOpenXml.Style.ExcelBorderStyle.Thin)

Would you like a complete VB example that reads a nested GridView and outputs the Excel, or do you plan to integrate EPPlus logic manually?

You said:

Can you help me understand what the following web.config statement do:

ChatGPT said:

Certainly! These two lines from web.config are part of the ASP.NET configuration system that controls authentication and authorization at the application level.
Let's go through them:

🔐 `<authentication mode="None" />`

This tells ASP.NET not to use any built-in authentication mechanism.

Meaning:

No Forms Authentication.
No Windows Authentication.
Your application does not expect users to be authenticated by ASP.NET itself.

When to use:

You're handling authentication yourself (e.g., via OWIN, OAuth, or a reverse proxy).
Your site is public and doesn't require authentication.
You're using custom security mechanisms (e.g., tokens, cookies, or session-based auth handled manually).

👥 `<authorization><allow users="*" /></authorization>`

This defines who is allowed to access your application or a specific path.

Meaning:

* means "all users", including:
- Authenticated users
- Anonymous (not logged in) users

So this rule says: allow everyone access.

🧠 Putting it Together

You're saying:

No built-in authentication mechanism is used.
Everyone is allowed access to the application, regardless of authentication status.

It's equivalent to saying:

"My app doesn't do any ASP.NET authentication, and everyone is welcome."

✅ When This Is Useful

APIs or web apps that rely on external authentication (e.g., Azure AD via OWIN).
Public sites with no login.
While in development, to bypass security.

⚠️ Important Notes

If you're using OWIN or external auth providers like Azure AD B2C, this setup is common. OWIN will handle the authentication flow, and ASP.NET won't interfere.
But if you want to secure some pages, you'll need to:

Implement logic yourself (e.g., check HttpContext.User.Identity.IsAuthenticated)
Or configure authorization rules more specifically in web.config or OWIN middleware.

Would you like me to show how to secure just some folders/pages while leaving others public?

You said:

Suppose I do use OWIN and Azure AD B2C. With the above web.config, can I access any page without been authenticated? Or may be I need to configure OWIN in certain way to prevent it?

ChatGPT said:

Excellent question — and you're exactly right to think that even if web.config allows everyone, your OWIN and Azure AD B2C setup can still control access.
Here’s how it works:

🔄 Division of Responsibility

Component	Handles
`web.config`	Legacy ASP.NET authentication/authorization (Forms, Windows)
OWIN middleware	Modern authentication (e.g., Azure AD B2C, OAuth, Cookies)
Your app code	Application-specific logic (e.g., redirect, claims checks)

When you're using OWIN + Azure AD B2C, the authentication enforcement is handled in OWIN, not web.config.

✅ So with your current `web.config`:

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You’re telling ASP.NET:

“I don’t need you to handle authentication or authorization — OWIN will do that.”

So yes, by default, you can access any page in your app without being authenticated, unless your OWIN pipeline enforces login.

🔐 How to Require Authentication with OWIN

To protect routes or pages using Azure AD B2C via OWIN, you must configure the OWIN pipeline properly — usually with cookie + OpenID Connect middleware and optionally an AuthorizeAttribute.

Example (`Startup.vb` or `.cs`)

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app.SetDefaultSignInAsAuthenticationType(CookieAuthenticationDefaults.AuthenticationType) app.UseCookieAuthentication(New CookieAuthenticationOptions() With { .AuthenticationType = CookieAuthenticationDefaults.AuthenticationType }) app.UseOpenIdConnectAuthentication(New OpenIdConnectAuthenticationOptions() With { .ClientId = clientId, .Authority = authority, .RedirectUri = redirectUri, .ResponseType = "id_token", .Scope = "openid", .TokenValidationParameters = New TokenValidationParameters With { .NameClaimType = "name" }, .Notifications = New OpenIdConnectAuthenticationNotifications With { .AuthenticationFailed = Function(context) context.HandleResponse() context.Response.Redirect("/Error?message=" & context.Exception.Message) Return Task.FromResult(0) End Function } })

Then protect pages:

Use the [Authorize] attribute on controller/page classes (if using MVC/Web API).
Or check login in Page_Load in Web Forms:

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🧠 Summary

Scenario	Can I access page unauthenticated?
`web.config` allows all + no OWIN	✅ Yes, no one is authenticated
`web.config` allows all + OWIN with OpenIDConnect, but no auth check	✅ Yes, unless enforced manually
`web.config` allows all + OWIN with OpenIDConnect + `[Authorize]` or check	❌ No, user must be authenticated

If you're using Web Forms, would you like a snippet showing how to require authentication at the page level using OWIN’s cookie identity?

You said:

With your above code, I assume the /signin-oidc is automatically accessible from the Azure redirect? My other question is that instead of protect each page individually, is it possible to do it via global.asax?

ChatGPT said:

Yes — you’re absolutely right on both points, let’s break it down:

✅ 1. Is `/signin-oidc` automatically accessible?

Yes.
When you use UseOpenIdConnectAuthentication(...), the OWIN middleware automatically registers the /signin-oidc path to handle Azure AD B2C’s redirect back after login.
This endpoint:

Handles the OpenID Connect response (which includes the token)
Sets the authentication cookie
Redirects the user to the original URL they were trying to access

You don’t need to define /signin-oidc in your web.config or route tables — it’s internal to the OWIN pipeline.

🔒 If you're seeing a 404 on /signin-oidc, it usually means the OWIN middleware wasn't properly registered — possibly due to incorrect Startup class registration or app startup config.

✅ 2. Can you enforce authentication globally in `Global.asax`?

Yes.
Instead of protecting every page manually, you can enforce authentication for all pages (or by pattern) in Global.asax.vb using the Application_AuthenticateRequest or Application_PostAuthenticateRequest events.

🔧 Example in `Global.asax.vb`:

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☑️ Notes:

This will redirect unauthenticated users globally, unless they are accessing /signin-oidc or a public route like /favicon.ico, /css, etc.
You should add exceptions to skip certain paths (see below).

🧱 Recommended Improvement: Add path-based exceptions

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Sub Application_PostAuthenticateRequest(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As EventArgs) Dim path = HttpContext.Current.Request.Path.ToLower() ' Allow unauthenticated access to specific paths If path.StartsWith("/signin-oidc") OrElse path.StartsWith("/public") OrElse path.EndsWith(".css") OrElse path.EndsWith(".js") Then Return End If If Not HttpContext.Current.Request.IsAuthenticated Then Dim returnUrl = HttpContext.Current.Request.RawUrl HttpContext.Current.Response.Redirect("/Account/Login?returnUrl=" & HttpUtility.UrlEncode(returnUrl)) End If End Sub

🧠 Summary

Goal	Solution
Make `/signin-oidc` work	Ensure OWIN is correctly set up
Avoid protecting each page individually	Use `Global.asax` to enforce globally
Skip auth for certain routes	Check `Request.Path` before redirecting

Let me know if you want a full working Global.asax.vb example that integrates cleanly with OWIN + Azure B2C.

You said:

I would like to ask few questions about the Startup.vb file. In the file you have '.RedirectUri = redirectUri'. Q: Would the redirectUri be /signin-oidc?

ChatGPT said:

Great question — let's clarify this:

🔁 What should `.RedirectUri` be in `Startup.vb`?

In the context of OWIN with Azure AD B2C, the .RedirectUri property is your application's redirect URI registered in Azure AD B2C — and yes, in most cases it should end with /signin-oidc, like this:
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So to answer your question:

Q: Would the redirectUri be /signin-oidc?
✅ A: Yes — typically it is something like https://yourapp/signin-oidc

🔍 Why is `/signin-oidc` used?

It’s a standard path recognized by the OWIN OpenID Connect middleware.
When Azure AD B2C finishes authenticating the user, it sends them back to this URI with an ID token.
The middleware automatically intercepts this URI and completes the authentication process.

You do not need to create a physical page or controller for /signin-oidc.

🔐 Example Setting

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app.UseOpenIdConnectAuthentication(New OpenIdConnectAuthenticationOptions() With { .ClientId = clientId, .Authority = authority, .RedirectUri = "https://localhost:44394/signin-oidc", ' <== This must match Azure AD B2C registration .PostLogoutRedirectUri = "https://localhost:44394/", .ResponseType = "id_token", .Scope = "openid", ... })

🔧 Important: Must match Azure AD B2C registration

Whatever URI you set here must also be configured in Azure AD B2C as one of the app’s Redirect URIs:

Go to Azure Portal > Azure AD B2C > App registrations
Select your app
Go to Authentication
Ensure https://localhost:44394/signin-oidc is listed under Redirect URIs

🛑 If you forget to register it in Azure, you’ll get an error like:
"The reply URL specified in the request does not match the reply URLs configured for the application."

🧠 Summary

Property	Typical Value	Purpose
`.RedirectUri`	`"https://yourapp.com/signin-oidc"`	Where Azure AD B2C sends the token
`/signin-oidc`	Middleware-internal endpoint (no page needed)	OWIN handles this automatically

Would you like me to show how this ties into the rest of your Startup.vb setup, or how the login flow works end to end?

You said:

It seems to me that we have used the cookie authentication and also the openid authentication. Can you explain how they related to each other and how the whole authentication process work. Thanks.

ChatGPT said:

You're exactly right — and it's great you're noticing the combination of Cookie Authentication and OpenID Connect in the OWIN pipeline. These two pieces work together to handle authentication properly.
Let’s break it down step-by-step:

🔗 Summary of Relationship

OpenID Connect (OIDC) is used to authenticate the user with an external identity provider (like Azure AD B2C).
Cookie Authentication is used to store the login session locally on your server once the user returns from the identity provider.

Think of it as:
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[User] → (OIDC to Azure) → [Authenticated] → (Back to App) → Cookie issued → [Session Active]

🔁 Full Authentication Flow

✅ 1. User visits a protected page on your site

If the user is not authenticated, OWIN middleware detects this and redirects the user to Azure AD B2C login page (via OIDC).

✅ 2. Azure AD B2C handles login

The user enters credentials (username/password, or social login like Google).
If login is successful, Azure AD B2C redirects the browser back to:
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https://yourapp.com/signin-oidc

✅ 3. OWIN handles `/signin-oidc` behind the scenes

This is handled automatically by the UseOpenIdConnectAuthentication() middleware.
The response includes an ID token containing the user’s identity info.
OWIN validates the token and converts it into a local ClaimsPrincipal (i.e., a logged-in user).

✅ 4. Cookie Authentication saves session

OWIN then creates an authentication cookie using UseCookieAuthentication().
This cookie is set in the user’s browser to persist their session.
On future requests, this cookie is automatically sent and recognized.

🧠 Code Flow: What’s happening in `Startup.vb`

Here’s a simplified VB version of what you're probably using:
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Public Sub Configuration(app As IAppBuilder) ' Step 1: Setup cookie authentication to persist session app.SetDefaultSignInAsAuthenticationType(CookieAuthenticationDefaults.AuthenticationType) app.UseCookieAuthentication(New CookieAuthenticationOptions()) ' Step 2: Setup OpenID Connect to handle Azure AD B2C login app.UseOpenIdConnectAuthentication(New OpenIdConnectAuthenticationOptions() With { .ClientId = "...", .Authority = "...", .RedirectUri = ".../signin-oidc", .PostLogoutRedirectUri = ".../", .ResponseType = "id_token", .Scope = "openid", ... }) End Sub

🔐 Why use both?

Authentication Type	Role
OpenID Connect	Authenticate user via Azure AD B2C (external)
Cookie Authentication	Store user session locally on your server

Without cookies:

You’d need to re-authenticate with Azure every page load (which is not scalable).

Without OpenID:

You wouldn’t be able to log users in via Azure AD B2C at all.

📌 Final Notes

OWIN automatically chains the middlewares.
Cookie auth is typically the default sign-in mechanism (SetDefaultSignInAsAuthenticationType()), and OpenID auth just uses it to store identity after successful login.

🔁 Optional Logout Flow

If the user logs out:

Your app can clear the cookie locally
And optionally send the user to Azure AD B2C's logout endpoint to sign out of Azure too

Would you like a diagram or example of logout behavior or token inspection?

You said:

I would like the program to redirect user to Azure B2C login page if authentication failed. Instead of doing 'Response.Redirect("/Account/Login")', what I should do instead?

ChatGPT said:

Great — since you're using OWIN with Azure AD B2C, and authentication is handled by the OpenID Connect middleware, you should not use:
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Instead, you should trigger the OWIN authentication challenge, like this:

✅ What to do instead

Use this in your code (e.g., in Global.asax, or in any page logic):
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HttpContext.Current.GetOwinContext().Authentication.Challenge( New AuthenticationProperties() With { .RedirectUri = HttpContext.Current.Request.RawUrl }, OpenIdConnectAuthenticationDefaults.AuthenticationType )
Then call Response.End() (or return / Exit Sub) to stop further processing:
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Response.End()

💡 What this does

It tells OWIN to challenge the request using OpenID Connect (i.e., redirect to Azure B2C login).
The RedirectUri tells Azure AD B2C to send the user back to where they came from after login.

🔁 Example: Protect page in Global.asax

If you want to redirect to Azure B2C login globally for unauthenticated users:
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Protected Sub Application_AcquireRequestState(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As EventArgs) Dim context = HttpContext.Current If context.User IsNot Nothing AndAlso Not context.User.Identity.IsAuthenticated Then ' Only challenge if it's not a static file or API, etc. If Not context.Request.Path.ToLower().EndsWith(".axd") Then context.GetOwinContext().Authentication.Challenge( New Microsoft.Owin.Security.AuthenticationProperties() With { .RedirectUri = context.Request.RawUrl }, OpenIdConnectAuthenticationDefaults.AuthenticationType ) context.Response.End() End If End If End Sub

❗ Don’t Use `/Account/Login`

In classic ASP.NET Forms Auth, you’d redirect to /Account/Login. But with OWIN + Azure AD B2C, Azure is your login — so you must challenge the OIDC middleware.

Would you like an example of using this on a specific page (like Page_Load)?

You said:

Got a question about .net webform program. I am wondering how to redirect URL from inside a class that do not have access to the Response object.

ChatGPT said:

In a .NET Web Forms application, if you're inside a class that doesn't have direct access to the Response object (like a business logic or helper class), but you want to perform a redirect, there are a few ways to handle it depending on your application's architecture.

✅ Option 1: Use `HttpContext.Current.Response.Redirect()`

If you're on the main web request thread, you can access the current HTTP context statically:
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This works as long as you're executing within the context of an HTTP request (i.e., not a background thread or task).

⚠️ Option 2: Use Return Values or Exceptions (Preferred for Separation of Concerns)

It's often better practice to not perform redirects inside logic classes. Instead, you can:

1. Return a status to the caller:

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Then in your page or handler:
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2. Throw a custom exception:

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Public Class RedirectException Inherits Exception Public Property TargetUrl As String Public Sub New(url As String) TargetUrl = url End Sub End Class
Then throw and catch it:
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And in the page or Global.asax:
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Try myLogic.SomeMethod() Catch ex As RedirectException Response.Redirect(ex.TargetUrl) End Try

❌ Avoid: Injecting Response/Context into Business Classes

Technically possible (by passing HttpContext or HttpResponse into your class), but it's a violation of separation of concerns — your logic layer should remain decoupled from web infrastructure.

✅ Summary

Approach	When to Use	Example
`HttpContext.Current.Response.Redirect()`	Quick fix within HTTP request	✅
Return a status	Clean separation of logic and UI	✅✅
Throw custom redirect exception	Cleaner handling in complex flows	✅✅
Inject `HttpResponse`	Not recommended	❌

Would you like an example pattern with layered architecture (e.g., logic + page code-behind)?

You said:

With OWIN, and Azure B2C, how do I force logout and redirect to login?

ChatGPT said:

To force logout and redirect to Azure B2C login in an OWIN-based ASP.NET Web Forms application, you need to:

Sign out from both the local cookie and Azure AD B2C session.
Redirect to Azure B2C logout endpoint, which will redirect the user back to your app.
Challenge authentication again to bring up the Azure B2C login screen.

✅ Step-by-step Code

Here’s how you can do it from any page (e.g., Logout.aspx.vb, button click, or logic trigger):

🔁 Force logout and immediately re-login:

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Dim authContext = HttpContext.Current.GetOwinContext().Authentication ' Sign out from both cookie and OpenID Connect authContext.SignOut( OpenIdConnectAuthenticationDefaults.AuthenticationType, CookieAuthenticationDefaults.AuthenticationType ) ' Then challenge again (will redirect to Azure B2C login page) authContext.Challenge( New AuthenticationProperties() With { .RedirectUri = "/" }, OpenIdConnectAuthenticationDefaults.AuthenticationType ) HttpContext.Current.Response.End()

🔒 What this does

.SignOut(...) clears:
- Local cookie (.AspNet.Cookies)
- Azure AD B2C session (via OpenID Connect end session)
.Challenge(...) triggers redirect to B2C login page
.RedirectUri = "/" means the user is sent to your home page after login

✅ Alternative: Just log out without auto re-login

If you just want to log out and land on a page (without auto re-login), do only:
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HttpContext.Current.GetOwinContext().Authentication.SignOut( OpenIdConnectAuthenticationDefaults.AuthenticationType, CookieAuthenticationDefaults.AuthenticationType ) ' Optional: redirect manually after logout HttpContext.Current.Response.Redirect("LoggedOut.aspx")

🔁 Where to use this code

You can place this in:

A Logout.aspx page's Page_Load
A Button_Click event in Web Forms
Global.asax (for app-wide handling)
Or redirect to a route like /account/logout if you've defined one

Let me know if you'd like a complete working example with a logout button or logout page.

You said:

In general, in which month there are more apartments available in Boston, MA?

ChatGPT said:

In Boston, the rental market is notably seasonal, with two key trends:

When Are Most Apartments Available?

Spring to Early Summer (April to June)

Peak availability occurs during the spring, particularly from April through June, as leases commonly end in early summer and landlords begin listing new units.Boston Apartments 🌐Boston Union Realty 🌐roombae.com 🌐Investopedia 🌐
In particular, May and early June offer the widest selection of available apartments across the city.roombae.com 🌐Investopedia 🌐

September 1 – Boston’s “Moving Day”

Boston’s traditional and most chaotic Moving Day falls on September 1, with about 60–70% of leases ending around then, especially in student-heavy areas like Allston.Wikipedia 🌐
This creates a surge in inventory, but it also brings extremely high competition and often the highest rents.Boston Magazine 🌐roombae.com 🌐Wikipedia 🌐Reddit 🌐Investopedia 🌐

Summary

If your goal is maximized availability, aim to search in:

April through June, with May–June being the sweet spot for options.

If you're aiming to avoid competition and are ok with fewer choices, then winter—especially November through February—may offer better deals, but with fewer listings.roombae.com 🌐Boston Pads 🌐Boston Apartments 🌐Investopedia 🌐
Would you like tips on how to effectively time your search relative to your move-in date in Boston?
Further reading
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When Is the Best Time to Rent an Apartment?
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Why Boston homeowners looking to sell should wait for May
Apr 4, 2024
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Sources

You said:

For webform with OWIN, in web.config, I used the following to make signin-oidc open to anonymous user. Can I do similar thing for, say, '/Public.aspx' page? <system.web> </system.web>

ChatGPT said:

Yes, you're absolutely correct in your approach — and yes, you can apply the same technique to make /Public.aspx accessible anonymously, even when the rest of the site requires authentication via OWIN.
Here’s how you do it in web.config:
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<location path="Public.aspx"> <system.web> <authorization> <allow users="*" /> </authorization> </system.web> </location>

Explanation:

The <location> tag scopes settings (like authorization rules) to a specific path — in this case, Public.aspx.
Setting <allow users="*"/> means all users, including anonymous users, can access the page.
This effectively overrides the default authentication behavior set globally (e.g., via OWIN middleware or a stricter default <authorization> setting).

Additional Notes:

This method works for:
- Regular pages (.aspx)
- Folders (<location path="publicfolder">)
Be sure that your OWIN middleware does not automatically challenge on all requests by default — OWIN respects web.config settings when you're using UseCookieAuthentication() or similar.

If your middleware is set to challenge all unauthenticated requests globally, you may need to add a check in your Global.asax or your own authorization logic to skip challenge for the public resources.
Would you like an example of how to do that in OWIN?

You said:

Hi, got problem with .net webform. The error message is "ould not load file or assembly 'System.Runtime, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b03f5f7f11d50a3a' or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified." In the packages.config file I do see version 4.3.0 listed. What is the best way to resolve this? Thanks.

ChatGPT said:

That error happens a lot when a .NET Framework Web Forms project references a NuGet package that depends on a newer System.Runtime assembly than what your project actually has in its runtime environment.
Here’s what’s going on in your case:

Your code (or one of your NuGet packages) is compiled against System.Runtime 4.3.0 (from NETStandard.Library or similar).
Your application is running on .NET Framework 4.x, where System.Runtime 4.0.0.0 is part of the framework, but you don't have a binding redirect or the right assembly available in the bin folder.
The runtime tries to load version 4.0.0.0 but can’t find it in the GAC or in your bin output — hence the error.

Best ways to fix

1️⃣ Add a binding redirect in `web.config`

Make sure you have an <assemblyBinding> entry that redirects all requests for System.Runtime to the version you have (4.3.0.0).
Inside <configuration> → <runtime>:
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<runtime> <assemblyBinding xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v1"> <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Runtime" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly> </assemblyBinding> </runtime>
Tip: You can let Visual Studio generate these for you:

Right-click project → Add → Project Reference… (check the required assemblies)
Then Build → If you see warnings about binding redirects, use Project → Add Binding Redirects.

2️⃣ Install `System.Runtime` NuGet package explicitly

Even though System.Runtime is part of the framework, newer packages sometimes expect the newer version to be in your bin folder.
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Install-Package System.Runtime -Version 4.3.0
This will copy the System.Runtime.dll to your output folder.

3️⃣ Match .NET Framework target with package dependencies

Some packages targeting .NETStandard 1.x/2.x will pull in System.Runtime 4.3.0.
If your project is on .NET Framework 4.5 or 4.5.2, you might want to:

Upgrade to at least .NET Framework 4.6.1 to reduce these shims
Or use older versions of the NuGet packages that don’t depend on .NETStandard.

4️⃣ Check bin-deploy on server

If it works locally but fails after deployment:

Ensure System.Runtime.dll is deployed along with your site (check /bin folder).
Sometimes MSBuild doesn’t copy facades — you can force it by setting:

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<AutoGenerateBindingRedirects>true</AutoGenerateBindingRedirects> <CopyLocalLockFileAssemblies>true</CopyLocalLockFileAssemblies>
in your .csproj/.vbproj.

If you want, I can help you write a safe binding redirect section that covers not just System.Runtime but the other common facades (System.IO, System.Linq, System.Threading.Tasks, etc.), so you avoid similar runtime errors later.
That’s usually the real long-term fix for Web Forms + modern NuGet.

You said:

Yes. Please help me write a safe binding redirect section. Thanks.

ChatGPT said:

Got it — for Web Forms projects that pull in modern NuGet packages (especially .NETStandard libraries), the safest move is to include a full set of binding redirects for all the “facade” assemblies that may be required at runtime.
Here’s a template you can drop inside your web.config under <configuration><runtime>:
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<runtime> <assemblyBinding xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v1">  <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Runtime" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly> <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.IO" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly> <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Linq" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly> <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Threading.Tasks" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly>  <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Collections" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly> <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Diagnostics.Debug" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly> <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Globalization" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly> <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Reflection" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly> <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Text.RegularExpressions" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.1.0" newVersion="4.3.1.0" /> </dependentAssembly> </assemblyBinding> </runtime>

Why this works

These facade assemblies are part of the .NET Framework GAC starting from 4.5, but NuGet packages targeting .NETStandard often require the 4.3.x versions shipped via System.* NuGet packages.
Without binding redirects, your app might try to load 4.0.0.0 or 1.0.0.0 and fail.
Redirects tell the CLR: “If you see an older version, just load the newest available.”

Deployment tip

If you deploy to IIS and still get the error:

Ensure System.Runtime.dll and friends from packages\System.Runtime.4.3.0\lib\net46 are actually copied to /bin.
You can force this by installing them explicitly:

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Install-Package System.Runtime -Version 4.3.0 Install-Package System.IO -Version 4.3.0 Install-Package System.Linq -Version 4.3.0

If you want, I can also give you a one-shot PowerShell script that scans your packages.config and auto-generates this whole <assemblyBinding> section with the exact versions you use, so you don’t have to manually maintain it. That way, the config always matches your NuGet packages exactly.

You said:

I got other entries in the <assemblyBinding> section like System.Diagnostics.Tracing. Do I need update those too?

ChatGPT said:

Yes — if you already have other dependentAssembly entries in your <assemblyBinding> section (like System.Diagnostics.Tracing) that point to older versions than the ones your NuGet packages (or .NET Standard/.NET Core dependencies) require, you should update those too.
Here’s why:

When you reference NuGet packages that depend on newer versions of System.* assemblies (from .NET Standard 1.x/2.x), they may pull in assemblies targeting newer version numbers (e.g., 4.1.0.0, 4.3.0.0).
At runtime, the .NET Framework fusion loader looks for the exact version requested unless you provide a <bindingRedirect> telling it to use the higher version.
If you don’t update them, you might see runtime errors like “Could not load file or assembly …” for those other assemblies as well.

A safe approach is to align all System.* binding redirects to the highest version that your packages require.
For example, your web.config might end up with something like this:
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<configuration> <runtime> <assemblyBinding xmlns="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:asm.v1">  <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Runtime" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly>  <dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Diagnostics.Tracing" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly>  </assemblyBinding> </runtime> </configuration>
💡 Tip:
Instead of hunting them manually, you can run the following in the Package Manager Console in Visual Studio:
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Add-BindingRedirect
This will scan your referenced assemblies and automatically generate/merge the correct redirects into your web.config or app.config.
If you want, I can walk you through running that command safely and checking which assemblies need redirects. That way, you won’t miss any hidden dependencies.

You said:

OK. Can you walk me through how to run and check which assemblies need redirects. Thanks.

ChatGPT said:

Got it — I’ll walk you through a clean, safe way to generate and verify the binding redirects for your Web Forms + OWIN project so you don’t have to manually guess versions.

Step 1 – Open Package Manager Console in Visual Studio

Open your Web Forms solution in Visual Studio.
Go to the menu:
Tools → NuGet Package Manager → Package Manager Console
You’ll see a console panel open at the bottom of VS.

Step 2 – Run the Automatic Binding Redirect Command

In the Package Manager Console, type:
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Add-BindingRedirect

If your solution has multiple projects, you can target just your web project:

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Add-BindingRedirect -ProjectName YourWebProjectName
What it does:

It inspects all references in your project.
Finds assemblies where multiple versions might be requested.
Updates (or creates) the <assemblyBinding> section in your web.config (or app.config if it’s not a web project).

Step 3 – Review the Changes in `web.config`

Visual Studio will make the changes immediately.
In Solution Explorer, open web.config and look for the <runtime><assemblyBinding> section.
You should now see entries like:

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<dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Runtime" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.3.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly>

Check that newVersion matches the highest version actually present in your packages folder or your References.

Step 4 – Verify the Redirects

You can double-check using two ways:
A. From Visual Studio

Right-click your web project → Properties → References.
Look for the System.* assemblies and note their versions — these should match the newVersion in the binding redirects.

B. At Runtime (Fusion Log)

Run your app once.
If it still throws assembly load errors, enable Fusion Log Viewer to see which versions it’s trying to load.
To enable Fusion Log Viewer:
- Run Fuslogvw.exe (installed with Visual Studio or Windows SDK).
- Set it to log all binds.
- Reproduce the error, then see the exact version mismatch.

Step 5 – Commit to Source Control

Once you confirm everything works:

Save and commit the updated web.config.
This ensures other environments (dev/test/prod) get the same redirects.

If you like, I can also give you a checklist of the common System.* assemblies that usually require binding redirects in OWIN + Azure B2C projects, so you can quickly confirm you didn’t miss any.
That list will save you from chasing random runtime errors later.

You said:

now I got this error: "Could not load file or assembly 'System.Net.Http, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b03f5f7f11d50a3a' or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified."

ChatGPT said:

That error usually means one of two things in a .NET Framework 4.5 Web Forms + OWIN project:

Your app is compiled against an older version (4.0.0.0) of System.Net.Http, but at runtime, the machine is only finding a newer one (like 4.2.x or 4.3.x from NuGet).
The assembly isn’t being copied to the bin folder at all (missing reference).

We can fix it in two steps:

Step 1 – Add a Binding Redirect for `System.Net.Http`

In your web.config under <runtime><assemblyBinding>, add or update this block so it matches the highest version you actually have in packages or in the GAC:
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<dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Net.Http" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.2.0.0" newVersion="4.2.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly>

If you installed System.Net.Http via NuGet, check References in Solution Explorer to see its version, then use that as newVersion.
If you don’t see it in References, install it:
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Install-Package System.Net.Http -Version 4.2.0

Step 2 – Make Sure It’s Actually Deployed

Sometimes System.Net.Http doesn’t get copied into bin if it’s only in the GAC.
To force it:

Right-click your web project → Add Reference….
Check Assemblies → Framework and ensure System.Net.Http is selected.
Build → Check bin folder for System.Net.Http.dll.

💡 Extra note:
In .NET Framework 4.5, the default System.Net.Http is 4.0.0.0 (in the GAC).
When you install certain OWIN/Azure packages, they pull in a higher NuGet version (4.2.x+), so without a redirect, the runtime tries to find the old GAC version and fails — exactly the error you’re seeing.

If you want, I can walk you through how to quickly check the exact System.Net.Http version your project is using so you can put the correct value in the binding redirect instead of guessing. That’ll ensure you don’t get another version mismatch on deployment.

You said:

now I got this "Could not load file or assembly 'System.Net.Http' or one of its dependencies. The located assembly's manifest definition does not match the assembly reference. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80131040)" Since in Nuget I got System.Net.http v.4.3.0 and I set the web.config accordingly.

ChatGPT said:

Got it — that error (manifest definition does not match the assembly reference) means the binding redirect isn’t lining up with exactly what the runtime is trying to load.
You have NuGet System.Net.Http 4.3.0, but your project or a dependency is compiled against a different version — probably 4.0.0.0 or 4.1.1.0 — and the redirect range doesn’t fully match.

Why this happens

.NET Framework Web Forms 4.5 comes with System.Net.Http 4.0.0.0 in the GAC.
NuGet System.Net.Http 4.3.0 overrides it, but at runtime the CLR tries to find the exact assembly requested by the reference in your compiled IL.
The binding redirect tells it “If you want 4.0.0.0–X, use Y instead.”
If your redirect doesn’t include the right oldVersion range or newVersion value, you get this mismatch.

How to fix it safely

1️⃣ Find the exact version you have

Open the DLL from your packages folder:
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packages\System.Net.Http.4.3.0\lib\net46\System.Net.Http.dll
Right-click → Properties → Details → File version and Product version (these will tell you the assembly version, which may not match the NuGet version).
Or use PowerShell:
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[Reflection.AssemblyName]::GetAssemblyName("packages\System.Net.Http.4.3.0\lib\net46\System.Net.Http.dll").Version
For 4.3.0 NuGet, the assembly version is usually 4.1.1.0 or 4.0.0.0 (Microsoft changed file versioning in the 4.x series — sneaky).

2️⃣ Set the binding redirect to that assembly version

Example if the DLL reports 4.1.1.0:
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<dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Net.Http" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.1.1.0" newVersion="4.1.1.0" /> </dependentAssembly>

3️⃣ Let Visual Studio regenerate redirects automatically

Sometimes easiest:

In Package Manager Console:
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Update-Package -reinstall System.Net.Http
Clean & Rebuild.
In web.config, delete your <assemblyBinding> section temporarily.
Then run:
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Add-BindingRedirect
This scans all referenced assemblies and auto-generates the correct redirects.

4️⃣ Double-check bin folder output

After rebuild:

bin\System.Net.Http.dll should be the NuGet one (check file size/date).
If it’s not there, Copy Local on the reference must be set to True.

If you want, I can walk you through running fuslogvw.exe to see exactly what version the runtime is looking for vs. what it finds — that’s the most bulletproof way to end this version mismatch once and for all.
Do you want me to take you through that? That’ll give us the smoking gun.

You said:

how about this error "Inheritance security rules violated by type: 'System.Net.Http.WebRequestHandler'. Derived types must either match the security accessibility of the base type or be less accessible." - I set the web.config redirect back to v 4.1.1.0.

ChatGPT said:

Ah — that "Inheritance security rules violated" one is a different beast.
That happens when you mix an assembly built for .NET Framework 4.5 Security Transparency rules with one compiled under older CAS (Code Access Security) rules.
In your case:

System.Net.Http.WebRequestHandler lives in System.Net.Http (NuGet version 4.3.0 → assembly version 4.1.1.0).
But your .NET Framework 4.5 app or one of its dependencies is compiled assuming the GAC version (4.0.0.0) that has slightly different security annotations.
The CLR sees that the transparency attributes don’t match between base and derived class, and it throws that error before your code even runs.

Why it appears after you change the redirect

When you redirect to 4.1.1.0 (NuGet), the runtime actually loads the portable profile version of System.Net.Http (which is marked with [SecurityCritical]/[SecuritySafeCritical] in different spots).
Your dependent assembly still expects the full framework GAC version, which has different security decoration.
Mismatch → boom.

Ways to fix it

Option 1: Remove the NuGet package

If you don’t need the NuGet System.Net.Http (most .NET 4.5+ projects don’t), uninstall it:
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Uninstall-Package System.Net.Http
This forces your project to use the framework’s built-in System.Net.Http (4.0.0.0 in GAC), which matches your other references.
Remove the binding redirect for System.Net.Http.

Option 2: Upgrade your project to .NET Framework 4.6+

4.6+ includes a System.Net.Http that’s already the newer codebase, so no NuGet version mismatch.
This avoids the transparency mismatch without removing NuGet.
If you go this way, also update all binding redirects to match the newer framework’s versions.

Option 3: Recompile everything against the same `System.Net.Http`

If you must stay on 4.5 and must use NuGet’s System.Net.Http, then:

Make every project in the solution reference only the NuGet DLL.
Remove Specific Version = True from all references.
Ensure no project or library is binding to the GAC version.

Option 4: Force “Use GAC version at runtime”

Sometimes you can keep NuGet installed but redirect downward:
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<dependentAssembly> <assemblyIdentity name="System.Net.Http" publicKeyToken="b03f5f7f11d50a3a" culture="neutral" /> <bindingRedirect oldVersion="0.0.0.0-4.3.0.0" newVersion="4.0.0.0" /> </dependentAssembly>
That way, you build against NuGet (if needed for compile) but run against GAC (so security attributes match).
This works only if APIs used are available in the older version.

If your goal is just to get the app running without the CAS violation, Option 1 (remove NuGet package) is the quickest.
If your goal is future-proofing, Option 2 (upgrade framework) is the cleanest.

If you’d like, I can show you a quick Fuslogvw + ildasm check to see exactly which WebRequestHandler definition is clashing — that will confirm whether you’re mixing GAC and NuGet at runtime.
That’s usually the smoking gun in these “inheritance security rules violated” cases.

You said:

OK. What I have is a NuGet package build with .Net v 4.5.1 and I try to use a lower version and hopefully that will work with project build with a higher version. With this info, can you re-explain what I should do to resolve the issue?

ChatGPT said:

Got it — now that I know your NuGet package is built for .NET Framework 4.5.1, and you’re trying to use it in a project targeting a higher framework version, the problem makes more sense.
Here’s the situation and the right way to think about it:

Why this happens

When you compile against .NET 4.5.1, your NuGet package references certain framework assemblies (like System.Net.Http, System.Runtime, etc.) at specific versions that were present in 4.5.1.
When your application targets a newer framework (say 4.6.1 or 4.8), the framework may contain a newer version of those assemblies, and the version numbers in the references don’t match.
Without binding redirects in web.config/app.config, the CLR will try to load the exact version your library was compiled against — which may not be present in the newer runtime — causing the “could not load” or “manifest definition does not match” errors.

What not to do

Don’t try to downgrade to an older DLL version in your app just to match your package — you’ll get runtime errors like the “inheritance security rules violated” one because the older assembly may not be compatible with newer framework security rules.
Don’t ship multiple copies of System.Net.Http etc. in your bin unless you’re doing a self-contained scenario — in most cases, you should use the one that comes with the framework.

The right fix

Step 1 — Let NuGet help generate redirects

Run this in the Package Manager Console in your app project (not the package project):

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Add-BindingRedirect

This scans all referenced assemblies and generates safe <bindingRedirect> entries in your web.config.

Step 2 — Make sure you’re not overwriting framework assemblies

Remove any explicit System.Net.Http, System.Runtime, etc. DLLs from your bin unless they are part of a NuGet package and needed for targeting .NET Standard/portable profiles.
If your NuGet package uses System.Net.Http 4.3.0 from NuGet, keep it only if you need features that are not in the framework version, otherwise remove the NuGet reference and use the framework’s own System.Net.Http.

Step 3 — Rebuild and test

Clean the solution.
Delete the bin and obj folders.
Rebuild.
Run the app — if you still get a mismatch error, note the requested version and the loaded version in the exception and update the <bindingRedirect> accordingly.

Why binding redirects work here

Binding redirects tell the CLR:

“If code asks for System.Net.Http 4.0.0.0 or 4.1.1.0, give them 4.3.0 instead.”

This way:

Your package compiled against 4.5.1 sees what it expects in terms of API surface.
Your app runs against the version present in your runtime/framework.
You avoid downgrading to potentially insecure or incompatible assemblies.

If you want, I can give you a template <assemblyBinding> section that would safely handle System.Runtime, System.Net.Http, and common .NET Standard support assemblies so you can drop it in web.config and avoid this back-and-forth.
Do you want me to prepare that for you?

You said:

Trying to understand it better. Get few questions and hope it can help me understand the situation better. You mentioned that " in most cases, you should use the one that comes with the framework." and later you also mention "Make sure you're not overwriting framework assemblies". My question is about the "framework" you are referring to. Are you referring to the "newer project" that I am trying to build? The other question I have is that, I assume that when I bring in my NuGet package, all packages/dll used/referenced by the my NuGet package will a be brought in?

ChatGPT said:

Let’s break it down carefully, because this is one of those .NET “version mismatch” situations where understanding exactly what "framework" means will save you hours of hair-pulling.

1. Which “framework” I’m talking about

When I said “use the one that comes with the framework”, I meant:

The .NET Framework version that your consuming project is targeting —
not the one you compiled your NuGet package against.

Example:

If your consuming project targets .NET Framework 4.7.2, it already has its own in-box versions of assemblies like System.Net.Http, System.Runtime, etc.
These in-box assemblies live in the GAC (Global Assembly Cache) and are provided by Microsoft as part of the framework install.
They might have different versions than the ones your NuGet package saw when you built it under .NET 4.5.1.

So in this case, the “framework” = the version your application is compiled against.

2. Why “don’t overwrite framework assemblies”

If you let your NuGet package drag in newer or mismatched copies of framework assemblies (e.g., System.Net.Http 4.3.0) into a project that already has them in the GAC, you risk:

Type identity conflicts (manifest definition does not match the assembly reference errors)
Security transparency violations (like your WebRequestHandler inheritance error)
Binding redirect nightmares

That’s why, in many cases, you want to prefer the GAC-provided assembly and remove the NuGet one unless you truly need a newer version and know it works across all your target frameworks.

3. What happens when you bring in your NuGet package

If your NuGet package references framework assemblies (like System.Net.Http, System.Runtime), NuGet will not automatically include them in the consuming project — it just assumes they’re already available in the target framework.
If your NuGet package references a NuGet package (say System.Net.Http from System.Net.Http.4.3.0), then NuGet will try to pull that package into the consuming project — even if the consuming framework already has its own in-box version.

This is where trouble starts:
If the consuming project’s .NET Framework version has a different System.Net.Http than the one your NuGet references, you end up having to resolve the mismatch with binding redirects — and sometimes it’s not possible because of API or security transparency changes.

4. What this means for your situation

Your NuGet package targets .NET 4.5.1.
Your consuming project targets a higher .NET Framework (e.g., 4.7.x).
Some of the assemblies you referenced in your NuGet (System.Net.Http, System.Runtime) are framework assemblies in the newer project — but possibly at a different version than what your NuGet pulled in.
The best practice in this case is:
1. Remove NuGet references to framework assemblies (like System.Net.Http) from your NuGet package.
2. Let the consuming project use its in-box version from the framework.
3. Only package true library dependencies in your .nupkg that aren’t part of the framework.
4. If you must use a higher/lower version, handle it with binding redirects in the consuming project, not inside your NuGet.

If you want, I can walk you through how to rebuild your NuGet so that it stops pulling in these framework DLLs, and then test it so you avoid this assembly hell entirely.
That’s the cleanest fix here.
Do you want me to go into that process next?

You said:

OK. I am not sure I build my NuGet correctly and so it will be useful if you can show me how to build it correctly. On the other hand, in my NuGet, I did have a statement: "HttpContext.Current.Response.end()". Q: will this cause a problem? Now I think about it, I may not need it.

ChatGPT said:

Let’s break this into two parts — the NuGet packaging side, and the HttpContext.Current.Response.End() side.

1. Building Your NuGet Package Correctly for .NET Framework

When you target .NET Framework 4.5.1 for your NuGet package but consume it in a higher-target project (say 4.7.2), you want to make sure:

You don’t embed or package framework assemblies like System.Net.Http.dll or System.Runtime.dll unless you really need a specific NuGet version of them.
Your .nuspec or .csproj only includes references to those assemblies as framework references, not as files to be copied into the consuming app’s bin.

For a .NET Framework-only package (no .NET Standard, no multi-targeting):

In .csproj, set:

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In .nuspec or csproj packing config:

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<IncludeBuildOutput>true</IncludeBuildOutput> <ContentTargetFolders>contentFiles</ContentTargetFolders>

Do not include System.Net.Http.dll, System.Runtime.dll, etc., as physical files.
Let the consumer’s framework version provide those.

When packing:
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or with NuGet CLI:
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If you see DLLs for System.Net.Http or System.Runtime inside your .nupkg, that’s usually a red flag.

2. About `HttpContext.Current.Response.End()`

That call can cause trouble — especially inside OWIN or Azure B2C flows — because:

Response.End() throws a ThreadAbortException internally to stop page execution. This can cause weird behavior, skip finally blocks, and mess with async OWIN middleware.
In modern ASP.NET, the recommendation is to use:

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instead of Response.End().
If your NuGet package is used in higher-target projects or in OWIN middleware, Response.End() might:

Kill the pipeline before other middleware runs.
Cause "Thread was being aborted" exceptions in logs.
Break Azure B2C redirects mid-flight.

If you don’t absolutely need it, it’s safer to remove and let the calling application decide when to stop execution.

If you want, I can show you how to rebuild your NuGet so it targets .NET Framework 4.5.1 cleanly without pulling in system assemblies — and swap out Response.End() for a safe redirect pattern that works with OWIN and Azure B2C. That would probably eliminate most of your System.Net.Http binding issues.

You said:

OK. My NuGet package do use some other NuGets that were written with .NET standard so they can be used in .net framework and .net core. Am I in trouble because of that?

ChatGPT said:

Not necessarily in trouble — but you are in a special case that’s much more likely to hit the kind of assembly-binding conflicts you’ve been seeing.
Here’s why:

1️⃣ Why .NET Standard in a .NET Framework Project Can Cause Issues

When you build a .NET Framework NuGet package that depends on .NET Standard libraries:

The .NET Standard library itself doesn’t run directly on .NET Framework.
Instead, NuGet pulls in “facade” assemblies and .NET Framework compatibility shims (e.g., netstandard.dll, System.Runtime.dll, System.Net.Http.dll) so the code can compile and run.
Those facades often target the lowest compatible .NET Framework (like 4.6.1+ for full support), but they can work on 4.5.1 if all dependencies line up.
If your newer project already has a newer version of these assemblies (from its own dependencies or the framework itself), NuGet may pull both versions into bin — triggering binding redirect or type mismatch errors.

That’s why Microsoft’s official guidance says:

For .NET Framework projects consuming .NET Standard libraries, target .NET Framework 4.7.2 or higher if possible, to reduce compatibility issues.

2️⃣ How This Plays Out in Your Case

If your NuGet package (targeting net45) depends on a NuGet package that’s netstandard2.0:

NuGet will bring in a whole set of System.* DLLs into the consumer’s packages folder.
If the consumer project targets 4.5.1 or 4.6, those DLLs might override the framework’s built-in versions.
If the consumer project targets 4.7.2 or higher, most of those DLLs are already in the framework — so NuGet shouldn’t include them — unless your .nuspec accidentally forces them.

So the risk isn’t that it’s impossible — it’s that the probability of binding conflicts jumps when .NET Standard facades meet older .NET Framework projects.

3️⃣ Practical Ways to Reduce Trouble

Check your .nuspec or .csproj before packing
Make sure you aren’t explicitly including system assemblies in <files> or as CopyLocal=true.
If possible, multi-target your NuGet
Instead of just net45, also build netstandard2.0 (or even net472) so NuGet picks the right DLL for each project:
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<TargetFrameworks>net45;netstandard2.0</TargetFrameworks>
Test your package in a clean higher-target project
Create a new .NET Framework 4.7.2+ project, install your NuGet, and check:
- Which System.*.dll actually end up in bin.
- Whether binding redirects are automatically generated or needed.
Remove Response.End() if possible
This isn’t directly a .NET Standard issue, but if you have it, and the library is used in OWIN pipelines, it could break request flow even when assemblies are fine.

If you want, I can give you a step-by-step “safe NuGet” recipe for your case —
one that targets net45 + netstandard2.0, avoids shipping framework DLLs, and works with
Error in message stream
Retry

You said:

When building the NuGet, I was trying to keep the .net framework version as low as possible and that is why I am not sure I was using .net standard 2 all the way. The other thing I did is that I brought in my NuGet first before I upgrade the project to 4.7.2. When you said "multi-target your NuGet", what you really mean and how it can be done?

ChatGPT said:

When I say multi-target your NuGet, I mean building your NuGet package so that it contains multiple builds of your library, each compiled for a different target framework (e.g., .NET Framework 4.5, .NET Framework 4.7.2, .NET Standard 2.0, etc.).
That way, NuGet will automatically pick the best matching build depending on what project is consuming it.
This helps avoid binding redirect messes and compatibility issues like the ones you’re running into.

1️⃣ Why multi-targeting helps you

Right now, you have one DLL compiled for .NET Framework 4.5.1, and you’re trying to use it in a project targeting .NET Framework 4.7.2 (and maybe also .NET Core in the future).
If that DLL references .NET Standard 2.0 assemblies or newer BCL APIs, older framework versions may not have them, which forces NuGet to pull in extra compatibility shims (System.Net.Http, System.Runtime, etc.). That’s what causes all the binding redirect headaches.
If you multi-target, you can:

Compile against the real .NET Framework assemblies for .NET Framework consumers (no shims).
Compile against .NET Standard 2.0 for .NET Core or .NET 5+ consumers.
Avoid breaking older frameworks while still supporting newer ones.

2️⃣ How multi-targeting works in practice

You do this in your .csproj for the library that becomes your NuGet.
Example:
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<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk"> <PropertyGroup> <TargetFrameworks>net451;net472;netstandard2.0</TargetFrameworks> <GeneratePackageOnBuild>true</GeneratePackageOnBuild> <Version>1.0.0</Version> <Authors>YourName</Authors> <Description>My Multi-targeted NuGet</Description> </PropertyGroup> <ItemGroup Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == 'net451'">  <Reference Include="System.Net.Http" /> </ItemGroup> <ItemGroup Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == 'netstandard2.0'">  <PackageReference Include="SomeNetStandardPackage" Version="x.y.z" /> </ItemGroup> </Project>

TargetFrameworks (plural) tells the SDK to build your library multiple times, once for each framework.
NuGet will bundle all of them into one package with lib/net451/, lib/net472/, lib/netstandard2.0/ subfolders.
When someone installs your NuGet, NuGet picks the right DLL for their project’s target framework automatically.

3️⃣ How to upgrade your existing NuGet

Since you said you first imported your NuGet into a 4.5.1 project and then upgraded the consuming project to 4.7.2, I’d recommend:

Rebuild the NuGet with multi-targeting so it has both 4.5.1 and 4.7.2 (and possibly netstandard2.0) versions inside.
Remove any explicit System.* package references unless they’re truly external packages (avoid overwriting framework assemblies).
Only reference System.Net.Http in the net451 build if you need it — in 4.7.2 it’s already in the framework.

4️⃣ About your earlier `HttpContext.Current.Response.End()`

That can cause problems in some contexts:

It throws a ThreadAbortException internally, which can cause odd behavior if you’re not expecting it.
In ASP.NET Core it doesn’t exist at all — so if you plan to target .NET Standard for cross-platform use, you’ll have to wrap it in a conditional:

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If you want, I can show you how your NuGet folder structure will look after multi-targeting so you can visualize what NuGet is actually delivering to the consuming project. That’s often the “aha” moment where all the binding redirect problems make sense.

You said:

Two more questions. You mentioned: "Remove any explicit System.* package references". How this is done? The other is about the Response.End(). In my OWIN NuGet, there is a situation I need to force logout and force re-login. I ended that sequence with Response.End(). But I am thinking I might as well just exit the constructor and return to the calling .aspx page. Will that be OK?

ChatGPT said:

Let’s take your questions one by one.

**1. Removing explicit `System.*` package references**

When I say "remove explicit System.* package references," I mean:

In your NuGet project, look at your .csproj (or .vbproj) and check the <PackageReference> or <Reference> sections.
If you see something like:

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<PackageReference Include="System.Net.Http" Version="4.3.4" />
or
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<PackageReference Include="System.Diagnostics.Tracing" Version="4.1.0" />
… remove them if they are assemblies that already come with the .NET Framework version you are targeting.
Why?
When you reference System.* via NuGet in a .NET Framework project, NuGet will bring in a different assembly version than the one in the GAC, which often causes binding redirect headaches or runtime conflicts (the very thing you’ve been hitting).
Rule of thumb:

If your library targets .NET Framework (e.g., net451 or net472), use the built-in framework assemblies, not NuGet ones.
If your library targets .NET Standard, then you need the NuGet System.* packages — because .NET Standard itself doesn't ship them — but only in the .NET Standard build, not in your framework build.

2. About `Response.End()`

HttpContext.Current.Response.End() is a blunt hammer — it:

Immediately stops execution by throwing a ThreadAbortException.
Can interfere with OWIN middleware execution flow.
Can cause strange behavior when used in async code or custom HTTP handlers.

In OWIN, if you want to force a logout and re-login, a cleaner approach is:

Sign out via AuthenticationManager.SignOut() (or equivalent for Azure B2C).
Redirect to your login page or challenge endpoint.

Example in OWIN:
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HttpContext.Current.GetOwinContext().Authentication.SignOut(); HttpContext.Current.Response.Redirect("/Account/Login", endResponse: false); return; // exit method gracefully
If your constructor is doing the redirect + logout, then yes — you can just:

Sign out
Redirect
Exit the constructor without calling Response.End()

This lets the pipeline finish gracefully without abruptly killing the request.

Why this matters for your NuGet:

If your NuGet forces Response.End() inside middleware or library code, it may break hosting apps in ways you can’t predict (thread aborts, partial writes, incomplete middleware runs). Returning early from the method after a redirect is almost always safer.

If you want, I can walk you through how to structure your NuGet project so it multi-targets and handles System.* references cleanly — that way your .NET Framework consumers get the GAC assemblies, and .NET Standard consumers get the NuGet ones. That will make your binding redirect mess go away in most cases.

You said:

As I mentioned earlier, my NuGet also using my other NuGets. Question: I assume each of my other NuGets might need be fixed too?

ChatGPT said:

Yes — if your main NuGet depends on other NuGets that you also control, then each of those needs to be “fixed” in the same way, otherwise the problem will just bubble up through the dependency chain.
Think of it like plumbing: even if you replace the leaky faucet (your main NuGet), the rest of the pipes (your other NuGets) can still leak and cause the same water damage.

Why each one matters

If any of your other NuGets has explicit System.* package references in a .NET Framework target, it can drag in the wrong version at runtime, forcing binding redirects or causing runtime type mismatches.
If they only target .NET Standard 2.0 but you consume them in a .NET Framework project, NuGet will try to bridge the gap using the NETStandard.Library facade assemblies. This works, but in older .NET Frameworks it causes the same System.* duplication problem unless you also multi-target.
If one of your “child” NuGets has Response.End() or other pipeline-breaking calls, that behavior can unexpectedly kill requests in the hosting app.

What you should do for each NuGet you own

For every NuGet you publish:

Check targeting
- If it’s meant to work in both .NET Framework and .NET Core/.NET 5+, make it multi-target:
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  <TargetFrameworks>net472;netstandard2.0</TargetFrameworks>
- This lets you avoid unnecessary facade assemblies on full framework.
Remove System.* package references in the .NET Framework target.
- Keep them only in the .NET Standard target.
Re-test binding redirects after rebuilding all packages.
- If all your NuGets align their targeting and references, you’ll almost never see binding redirect conflicts in full framework apps.
Audit pipeline control code like Response.End().
- Replace with clean exits and redirects wherever possible.

If you want, I can give you a template .csproj that’s multi-target-ready and already conditionally includes System.* only for the .NET Standard build — you can reuse it across all your NuGets so they behave consistently.
Would you like me to prepare that template? I can also show you how the conditional PackageReference lines look so you avoid duplicating this work for each project.

You said:

Before you do that, like to make sure the "multi-targeting .csproj" file also work for .vbproj. Personally, I work on both C# and VB. So, some of my code are in C# and some of them are in VB.

ChatGPT said:

Yes — the good news is multi-targeting works the same way for .vbproj as it does for .csproj in the new SDK-style project system.
The only big difference is the file extension and that you might see <RootNamespace> or <StartupObject> in VB projects, but the <TargetFrameworks> element works identically.

Example multi-target SDK-style `.vbproj`

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<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk"> <PropertyGroup>  <TargetFrameworks>net472;netstandard2.0</TargetFrameworks> <RootNamespace>MyCompany.MyLibrary</RootNamespace> <AssemblyName>MyCompany.MyLibrary</AssemblyName> <GeneratePackageOnBuild>true</GeneratePackageOnBuild> <Authors>Your Name</Authors> <Company>Your Company</Company> <Description>My multi-target VB NuGet library</Description> </PropertyGroup>  <ItemGroup Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == 'netstandard2.0'"> <PackageReference Include="System.Configuration.ConfigurationManager" Version="7.0.0" />  </ItemGroup> <ItemGroup Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == 'net472'">  </ItemGroup> </Project>

Key points for VB multi-targeting

Must be SDK-style
- Old-style .vbproj files (pre–Visual Studio 2017) don’t support <TargetFrameworks> — they need to be migrated.
Same syntax as C#
- <TargetFrameworks> works for both.
Conditional references
- Use Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == '...'" to keep System.* packages only in .NET Standard.
NuGet build
- Multi-targeted VB projects will build two DLLs in different bin\... subfolders, and NuGet will pack them together under lib\net472 and lib\netstandard2.0.

If some of your projects are still old-style .vbproj (non-SDK), then we’d need to upgrade them first — otherwise you can’t multi-target cleanly.
I can also walk you through upgrading one safely without breaking your VB compiler settings.
Do you want me to include both C# and VB versions of the multi-target template so you can standardize all your NuGets in one go? That way, all your packages will line up and the binding redirect headaches go away.

You said:

Yes. It will be great if you can provide template for both C# and VB.

ChatGPT said:

Perfect — I’ll give you side-by-side templates for multi-targeted SDK-style projects in both C# and VB so you can migrate all your NuGets in a consistent way.
The goal is to:

Target both .NET Framework (for your existing Web Forms apps) and .NET Standard (for future .NET Core / .NET 5+ work).
Avoid unnecessary System.* NuGet packages when building for .NET Framework.
Keep the project structure the same across C# and VB so you can maintain both easily.

1. Multi-target SDK-style C# `.csproj`

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<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk"> <PropertyGroup>  <TargetFrameworks>net472;netstandard2.0</TargetFrameworks> <GeneratePackageOnBuild>true</GeneratePackageOnBuild> <Authors>Your Name</Authors> <Company>Your Company</Company> <Description>My multi-target C# NuGet library</Description> <PackageId>MyCompany.MyCSharpLibrary</PackageId> </PropertyGroup>  <ItemGroup Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == 'netstandard2.0'"> <PackageReference Include="System.Configuration.ConfigurationManager" Version="7.0.0" />  </ItemGroup>  <ItemGroup Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == 'net472'">  </ItemGroup> </Project>

2. Multi-target SDK-style VB `.vbproj`

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<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk"> <PropertyGroup>  <TargetFrameworks>net472;netstandard2.0</TargetFrameworks> <RootNamespace>MyCompany.MyVBLibrary</RootNamespace> <AssemblyName>MyCompany.MyVBLibrary</AssemblyName> <GeneratePackageOnBuild>true</GeneratePackageOnBuild> <Authors>Your Name</Authors> <Company>Your Company</Company> <Description>My multi-target VB NuGet library</Description> <PackageId>MyCompany.MyVBLibrary</PackageId> </PropertyGroup>  <ItemGroup Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == 'netstandard2.0'"> <PackageReference Include="System.Configuration.ConfigurationManager" Version="7.0.0" />  </ItemGroup>  <ItemGroup Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == 'net472'">  </ItemGroup> </Project>

3. Migration Notes

Must use SDK-style projects
- If your current .csproj or .vbproj is the old verbose format with <Compile Include="..."/> entries everywhere, you’ll need to upgrade it.
- In Visual Studio, right-click → Unload Project → Edit .csproj or .vbproj → Replace with SDK-style format.
File includes are automatic
- No need to list every .cs or .vb file — SDK-style picks them up automatically.
NuGet packaging
- The <GeneratePackageOnBuild>true</GeneratePackageOnBuild> means every dotnet build or VS build will produce a .nupkg.
One .nupkg, two DLLs
- Inside the NuGet, you’ll have:
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- Consumers on .NET Framework get the net472 DLL; .NET Core apps get netstandard2.0.

If you like, I can also prepare a migration checklist that will let you go through each of your NuGets (both C# and VB) and upgrade them one by one while making sure no binding redirects or System.* package issues creep in.
That way, you’ll have a clean, future-proof library set without hunting down redirect bugs later.

You said:

I don't have old style VB NuGet, so that part is good. Check list can be good. I have always tried to have my code re-usable. But really did not realize there are so much to consider. Thank you for all the info.

ChatGPT said:

Exactly — making code truly reusable across different .NET Framework versions (and possibly .NET Core / .NET 5+) is more than just “write once, run everywhere.”
A proper checklist will help you avoid a lot of “works on my machine” headaches later.
Here’s a NuGet multi-targeting checklist tailored for your case (mix of C# and VB projects, .NET Framework first, but .NET Standard friendly):

NuGet Multi-Targeting Checklist

1. Project Structure

✅ Use SDK-style projects (<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk">) — works for both C# (.csproj) and VB (.vbproj).
✅ Keep one .csproj or .vbproj per NuGet package.
✅ Store shared code in .NET Standard projects when possible.

2. Target Frameworks

✅ Decide minimum .NET Framework version you must support (e.g., 4.5.1 if possible).
✅ Multi-target with <TargetFrameworks> (note the plural)
Example for C#:
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<TargetFrameworks>net451;net472;netstandard2.0</TargetFrameworks>
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<TargetFrameworks>net451;net472;netstandard2.0</TargetFrameworks>

3. Package References

✅ Remove explicit references to System.* assemblies unless they are not included in the target framework.
- In .csproj / .vbproj:
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  ❌ Remove if it’s already built into the framework target.
✅ Use conditional references when needed:
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<ItemGroup Condition="'$(TargetFramework)' == 'netstandard2.0'"> <PackageReference Include="SomePackage" Version="1.0.0" /> </ItemGroup>

4. API Compatibility

✅ Use APIs that exist in all target frameworks.
✅ When not possible, use #if preprocessor directives:
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#If NET451 Then ' .NET Framework specific code #Else ' .NET Standard / .NET Core code #End If

5. OWIN & ASP.NET Specific

✅ Avoid Response.End() where possible — it aborts the thread and can cause weird behavior in OWIN middleware.
- Prefer returning control to ASPX page or using OWIN middleware to short-circuit.
✅ If you must logout & redirect:
- Use HttpContext.GetOwinContext().Authentication.SignOut(...)
- Then Response.Redirect() (without End())

6. Dependency NuGets

✅ Each dependent NuGet should also:
- Multi-target the same frameworks
- Avoid unnecessary System.* references
- Avoid framework-specific hacks that break in .NET Standard

7. Building the Package

✅ Build with:
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✅ Test installing into:
- Low .NET Framework project (e.g., 4.5.1)
- High .NET Framework project (e.g., 4.8)
- .NET Core / .NET 6+ project

If you want, I can also give you a VB + C# dual template that compiles both into the same NuGet so you can mix languages without shipping multiple packages. That way your C# and VB code can co-exist neatly in the same NuGet without separate maintenance.
Would you like me to prepare that? It’s a fun one because it also shows how to share code between the two.

You said:

I think I am good at this point. I don't have NuGet that build with mixed VB and C#. I do have one more question. What is the best way for me to keep a copy of our conversation - like download or save as PDF ... etc.

ChatGPT said:

Easiest way to keep a copy of our conversation is:
Option 1 – Built-in browser save/export

In most browsers, you can just press Ctrl+P (or ⌘+P on Mac) → choose "Save as PDF" instead of printing.
This will capture exactly what you see on the screen, including formatting.
If the conversation is long, scroll all the way down before saving so all messages are loaded.

Option 2 – Copy & paste into a document

Highlight the conversation, Ctrl+C, then paste into Word, Google Docs, or any markdown editor.
This gives you more flexibility to add your own notes or rearrange content.
Then save/export from that editor as PDF, DOCX, etc.

Option 3 – ChatGPT’s export (if available)

In your ChatGPT account settings → Data Controls → Export Data will give you a ZIP containing all your past conversations in JSON format.
This is less pretty to read, but is the most complete archive.

If you want a clean, nicely formatted PDF for just this conversation, Option 1 is usually the fastest.
If you want to build your own knowledge library from multiple chats, Option 2 is better since you can merge and organize.
Since you’re keeping this for NuGet and .NET compatibility reference, I’d recommend Option 2 — that way you can keep adding to it when you learn new gotchas.
I can also help you make a print-friendly “checklist + notes” version of our discussion so you can save that as your personal guide. Would you like me to prepare that?

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1️⃣ Generate Debug Symbols (PDB) for Your NuGet Package

2️⃣ Publish Symbols to a Symbol Source (or Keep Local)

3️⃣ Configure Visual Studio

4️⃣ Debugging

5️⃣ Easiest Alternative (While Developing)

⚠️ Common Issues

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1️⃣ Create the SVG and <rect> Elements

2️⃣ Explanation

3️⃣ Output

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1️⃣ Example with JSON Definition

2️⃣ Supporting Multiple Rectangles from JSON Array

3️⃣ Benefits of JSON Representation

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1️⃣ SVG vs WebGL – Core Differences

SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics)

WebGL

2️⃣ Can We Construct WebGL Objects with Tags/Elements?

3️⃣ When to Use Which?

4️⃣ Can We Mix Them?

5️⃣ Helpful Libraries

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1️⃣ What is VRML?

2️⃣ Why Did VRML Fade Out?

3️⃣ Is VRML Still Used Today?

4️⃣ What Replaced It?

glTF ("GL Transmission Format")

X3D

5️⃣ Should You Use VRML Now?

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1️⃣ What glTF Actually Is

2️⃣ How Does It Get Rendered?

3️⃣ What Happens When the Scene Changes?

4️⃣ Difference from SVG

5️⃣ Summary

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1️⃣ Does glTF itself handle events?

2️⃣ How Do We Receive Events for glTF Objects?

Typical flow:

3️⃣ Example: Events on glTF Objects (Three.js)

4️⃣ How to Rotate Programmatically?

5️⃣ Summary

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1️⃣ Three.js

What it is:

Strengths:

Weaknesses:

Usage:

2️⃣ Babylon.js

What it is:

Strengths:

Weaknesses:

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3️⃣ Unity

🔹 Why 63 (`?`)?

1️⃣ Create the SVG and `<rect>` Elements

🧠 Challenges with Nested `GridView`s

1. Override `VerifyRenderingInServerForm`

🧱 Exporting a Nested `GridView` to Excel

🔐 `<authentication mode="None" />`

👥 `<authorization><allow users="*" /></authorization>`

✅ So with your current `web.config`:

Example (`Startup.vb` or `.cs`)